(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[2008 NA Ing Masters Liang Jie (8d)  (w) v. Louis Abronson (6d) (b)]PW[Liang Jie (8d)]PB[Louis Abronson (6d)]DT[2008-08-04]EV[North American Ing Masters]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Gordon Castanza / Dennis Wheeler]RE[W+11.00]
;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[np]
;W[dc]
;B[df]
;W[ch]
;B[ed]
;W[dd]
;B[de]
;W[ec]
;B[fd]
;W[gb]
;B[dk]
;W[eh]
;B[ff]
;W[cm]
;B[di]
;W[dh]
;B[gj]
;W[gh]
;B[fi]
;W[fh]
;B[ie]
;W[ih]
;B[fq]
;W[dq]
;B[eo]
;W[el]
;B[dm]C[USGO7 [-\]: Abronson leaves room
USGO7 [-\]: Abronson returns
lustcautio [7d?\]: I like this move
lustcautio [7d?\]: E8 was a little overpayed
lustcautio [7d?\]: played
]
;W[do]
;B[em]
;W[fp]
;B[gp]
;W[fo]
;B[hq]
;W[dl]
;B[fl]
;W[cl]
;B[gm]
;W[hd]
;B[hg]
;W[gi]
;B[id]
;W[fk]
;B[gk]
;W[fj]
;B[jj]
;W[jl]
;B[jk]
;W[hl]
;B[gl]
;W[go]
;B[ho]
;W[hn]
;B[gn]
;W[io]
;B[hp]
;W[pp]
;B[pn]
;W[oo]
;B[qq]
;W[pq]
;B[qp]
;W[on]
;B[po]
;W[op]
;B[pm]
;W[eq]
;B[fn]
;W[ep]
;B[kp]
;W[kl]
;B[nq]
;W[om]
;B[ol]
;W[pl]
;B[nl]
;W[ql]
;B[rn]
;W[mo]
;B[lp]
;W[lj]
;B[lm]
;W[jp]
;B[jq]
;W[il]
;B[kn]
;W[jn]
;B[ll]
;W[kk]
;B[pj]
;W[qj]
;B[qi]
;W[pi]
;B[rj]
;W[qk]
;B[qh]
;W[oj]
;B[ph]
;W[oi]
;B[ng]
;W[mk]
;B[ml]
;W[mh]
;B[lf]
;W[pc]
;B[oc]
;W[ob]
;B[od]
;W[qc]
;B[nb]
;W[re]
;B[pb]
;W[qb]
;B[oa]
;W[sb]
;B[qe]
;W[qf]
;B[pf]
;W[qd]
;B[pe]
;W[hc]
;B[rf]
;W[sf]
;B[rg]
;W[gf]
;B[be]
;W[bc]
;B[bg]
;W[bh]
;B[bd]
;W[cd]
;B[cf]
;W[kc]
;B[ra]
;W[qa]
;B[rd]
;W[sd]
;B[se]
;W[fg]
;B[ef]
;W[re]
;B[jh]
;W[jg]
;B[kh]
;W[ig]
;B[kg]
;W[hj]
;B[se]
;W[ag]
;B[af]
;W[ah]
;B[ad]
;W[re]
;B[hm]
;W[in]
;B[se]
;W[ke]
;B[re]
;W[fe]
;B[ge]
;W[gd]
;B[he]
;W[fc]
;B[ee]C[USGO1 [-\]: sorry about the lost moves
USGO1 [-\]: we'll try to catch them up later
USGO1 [-\]: Jie is studying carefully the top side of the board
USGO1 [-\]: Louis steps out for a quick break
]
;W[if]C[USGO1 [-\]: Jie points out his move upon Louis' return
]
;B[jc]
;W[jb]C[mingzhou [-\]: *dares USGO1 to tickle Louis*
USGO1 [-\]: both players have about 20 mins left on the clock
USGO1 [-\]: he is within tickle reach :)
]
;B[kd]
;W[ld]
;B[je]C[USGO1 [-\]: but he's bigger than I am
mingzhou [-\]: good point, he's a big guy
]
;W[jd]C[USGO1 [-\]: besides, I'm only the recorder
mingzhou [-\]: is there a designated tickler?
]
;B[kf]
;W[jf]
;B[kd]
;W[ln]C[lepinskie [?\]: there ought to be
USGO1 [-\]: I just report the news, I don't make it
]
;B[ko]
;W[jd]C[mingzhou [-\]: unless your laptop catches fire :)
]
;B[hf]C[lepinskie [?\]: =)
USGO1 [-\]: mines a Mac
]
;W[gg]
;B[kd]
;W[km]
;B[mn]
;W[jd]C[USGO1 [-\]: Louis sighs a bit as he looks for his next ko threat
USGO1 [-\]: Jie shakes off a few variations in his head
USGO1 [-\]: both players scanning the board, perhaps counting
]
;B[hh]
;W[ii]
;B[kd]C[Nick8a [2k\]: how lin xuefen do
Nick8a [2k\]: anyonw know
USGO1 [-\]: She beat Dr Steve Stringfellow
]
;W[nn]
;B[lo]
;W[jd]C[USGO1 [-\]: can't talk now as their play speed increases
Nick8a [2k\]: cool
mingzhou [-\]: ok, thanks for recording ;)
USGO1 [-\]: don't want to miss any more moves
]
;B[ic]C[USGO1 [-\]: usually, neither Louis nor Jei are known for their speedy play :)
mingzhou [-\]: I played louis in a 45-minute absolute game once...
mingzhou [-\]: 45 minutes was enough for him -_-
USGO1 [-\]: both players have about 15 mins (as Louis checks his opponents' time
mingzhou [-\]: w can't just play j18...
USGO1 [-\]: Louis' cell phone startles everyone just a bit
]
;W[ib]
;B[kd]
;W[iq]C[USGO1 [-\]: The Ing clock say (in Chinese) that Jie has only 10 min left
USGO1 [-\]: *says
USGO1 [-\]: I know what it says in Chinese, but I can't type English
USGO1 [-\]: Actually, I have no idea what it says in Chinese, but since I can't see his side of the clock, I know it means he either has 10 or 5 mins left :)
USGO1 [-\]: we'll have to wait and see
]
;B[ip]
;W[jd]
;B[cg]
;W[fr]
;B[ir]
;W[kd]
;B[ce]C[mingzhou [-\]: w slightly ahead?
]
;W[ji]C[Capsule [3d\]: B is suh/LSA on KGS
]
;B[gr]
;W[gq]
;B[lb]
;W[kb]
;B[fq]
;W[hi]
;B[fe]
;W[gq]
;B[ok]
;W[pk]
;B[fq]
;W[ri]
;B[si]
;W[gq]C[USGO1 [-\]: I can hear Louis' stomach rumbling
USGO1 [-\]: must have missed supper
Over9k [5k\]: lol midnight snack afterwards
USGO1 [-\]: Ing says black has 10 mins left
mingzhou [-\]: what is the price for byo-yomi?
]
;B[ki]
;W[kj]
;B[fq]C[USGO1 [-\]: Ing rules have two timimg systems that can be used -- we are not using that one
mingzhou [-\]: ok thanks
]
;W[rk]
;B[rh]
;W[gq]C[Over9k [5k\]: a17 ?
USGO1 [-\]: Louis's cell phone rings again...
USGO1 [-\]: This time I think he turned it off
mingzhou [-\]: bad Louis!
]
;B[ac]C[Over9k [5k\]: yes!
]
;W[bb]C[mingzhou [-\]: good call, over9k!
]
;B[fq]C[Over9k [5k\]: lol thanks
]
;W[er]C[mingzhou [-\]: time to promote to over8k
Over9k [5k\]: that ruins the pun
USGO1 [-\]: Jie often hesitates and hovers over the board slightly with his stone
Over9k [5k\]: although it was over 8k in the japanese version
mingzhou [-\]: hmm I'm not sure I get the pun
]
;B[nh]C[Over9k [5k\]: lol it's from DBZ but anyways the game
vg674 [16k\]: more of a show reference really
mingzhou [-\]: gotcha
]
;W[ni]
;B[md]C[mingzhou [-\]: huh
mingzhou [-\]: I was thinking n15...
]
;W[mc]C[Blockdude [3k\]: i think black will win by a slim margain
]
;B[me]
;W[mb]
;B[ma]
;W[rm]C[JonTeo [13k\]: nope W wins
TheLorax [-\]: What are the times at, usgo?
]
;B[sn]C[Steven1234 [5k\]: white looks to be winning to me
Over9k [5k\]: lol 
]
;W[mg]C[azaman [2k\]: looks very close to me
]
;B[mf]C[TheTuss [9k\]: left side huge
USGO1 [-\]: (in Chinese) 5 mins for w
]
;W[oh]
;B[og]C[azaman [2k\]: komi may push it over for w though...
Over9k [5k\]: bottom also huge
TheTuss [9k\]: but smaller
USGO1 [-\]: (in English) 5 mins for black
USGO1 [-\]: sounds the same when I say it
Over9k [5k\]: wu fen zhong....five minutes
]
;W[ab]
;B[li]
;W[mi]C[Capsule [3d\]: W+10 about
TheTuss [9k\]: uh oh
copacetik [1k\]: yeah looks like whites got it
TheTuss [9k\]: tell the to start over
TheTuss [9k\]: them*
]
;B[jo]C[charkysan [5k\]: r6 
]
;W[qn]
;B[qo]
;W[qm]C[charkysan [5k\]: bingo
azaman [2k\]: t8
mingzhou [-\]: ok, w wins
azaman [2k\]: hm no cant cah ne
azaman [2k\]: *can
Over9k [5k\]: t8 is gote
Over9k [5k\]: and loses points
]
;B[fs]
;W[sm]C[setake [10k\]: oh nice
Over9k [5k\]: t8 t7 s5 t9 
]
;B[ro]
;W[es]
;B[gs]C[setake [10k\]: w got some major territory
setake [10k\]: on left
Johnny5 [7k\]: isn't this a huge win for w or am I missing a big dead group somewhere?
]
;W[nk]C[mingzhou [-\]: q3 stones are dead...
TheTuss [9k\]: the corner
mingzhou [-\]: t18 is dead..
azaman [2k\]: r19 dead too
Johnny5 [7k\]: okay, I see it now
Johnny5 [7k\]: So it's acutally fairly close then
setake [10k\]: looks pretty even
Blockdude [3k\]: very close
azaman [2k\]: w ahead by komi or slightly more
craig [4k\]: t8 would have been 3 point reduction?
JonTeo [13k\]: but W wins 
]
;B[sk]
;W[sl]
;B[sj]C[setake [10k\]: looks like w wins
weak888 [1k\]: w win by 5 points?
]
;W[lc]
;B[la]
;W[nc]
;B[nd]
;W[gq]
;B[ka]C[azaman [2k\]: games like this are annoying to count :)
mingzhou [-\]: w should play l19 first?
]
;W[ja]
;B[na]C[Stormer [3k\]: w just avoiding ko
mingzhou [-\]: agreed, azaman
Stormer [3k\]: he must know he won
mingzhou [-\]: true, but on principle!
Johnny5 [7k\]: I've made the mistake of playing q19 in this situation before
]
;W[fq]C[Johnny5 [7k\]: I felt so dumb at that time
]
;B[lk]
;W[le]
;B[dg]C[Blockdude [3k\]: well you shoudl have >:(
charkysan [5k\]: why not feel dumb afterwards too, like i do?
]
;W[eg]
;B[lg]C[Xorax [3d\]: I have played q19 here tii
Xorax [3d\]: too*
azaman [2k\]: we've all done things like that at one time or another...
]
;W[lh]C[Xorax [3d\]: but my opponent missed
Johnny5 [7k\]: I did feel dumb afterwards
Xorax [3d\]: ^^
JonTeo [13k\]: W+9
USGO1 [-\]: all done but the counting
mingzhou [-\]: lucky xorax :)
Johnny5 [7k\]: cause all of a sudden a bunch of stones dissapeared and I had no idea why until 2 seconds after
Over9k [5k\]: lol
setake [10k\]: haha
USGO1 [-\]: Ing fill-in counting
Gaxx [3k\]: i hate when that happens :P
Over9k [5k\]: i love doing that to ppl
charkysan [5k\]: even worse is when you play the suicidal move, then realize it after you click it, and have to wait to see if you die if the other guy doesn't see it immediately
azaman [2k\]: nah, when that happens it's just a bad misread. never very satisfying to win by a misread like that.
charkysan [5k\]: no more dame to fill?
Xorax [3d\]: was tournament too :|
USGO1 [-\]: Thank you all for watching
mingzhou [-\]: is this tournament a knockout?
azaman [2k\]: no
Over9k [5k\]: no
mingzhou [-\]: ok
N9DP [10k\]: What are New Zealand rules?
copacetik [1k\]: it's round robin?
Over9k [5k\]: yea
USGO1 [-\]: we'll try to repair the sgf before posting to the usgo website
copacetik [1k\]: how many entrants?
mingzhou [-\]: thanks for recording :)
mingzhou [-\]: find a granola bar for louis
nekobasu [16k\]: Thank you USGO1
Over9k [5k\]: thanks usgo1
Steven1234 [5k\]: who won?
copacetik [1k\]: white
azndemon [12k\]: tyvm
Over9k [5k\]: the asian
Steven1234 [5k\]: by how many?
Johnny5 [7k\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: W+11
copacetik [1k\]: ~10
charkysan [5k\]: well, there was no handi, so it's a good result for b
charkysan [5k\]: even tho handi not expected in tournament
Rotwang [2k\]: nah
Rotwang [2k\]: w wont try to win by loads
Johnny5 [7k\]: Where can we download the sgf of the corrected game?
koyna [6k?\]: thanks usgo1
copacetik [1k\]: I am gonna be in a handi tournament come october
Oolong [?\]: usgo.com
Rotwang [2k\]: the margin of victory does t mean much
Johnny5 [7k\]: okay
ejen016 [6k\]: why they use new zealand's rule instead of japanese?
Oolong [?\]: Ing rules
ejen016 [6k\]: ing?
copacetik [1k\]: ing is this super rich guy who loves go
copacetik [1k\]: well, I guess he loves goe actually
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